I Can't Believe That....
There are people who actually do this all over Knox County in restaurants, bars, pubs, and nightclubs. It's called "dine and dash", "eat and run", "skipping out on the tab" and many other sayings I've heard over the years. Guess who you hurt when you do this rude activity? Not the restaurant, that's for sure! It's the waiter or waitress who served you that ends up paying the bill. Some folks have left with bills in the hundreds of $$$’s. When the bill is that expensive, the waiter or waitress (who makes less than $3/hr. + tips, btw, which isn't bad if you're a good waiter/waitress, but a lot of them barely end up making $5-6/hr) ends up with a “negative paycheck.” Some of them end up paying this off over weeks. I talked with some waiters and waitresses this week and this is worse than not leaving a tip! And it happens all the time, even in West Knox/Farragut. How would you like it if you worked for no pay because someone decided that they wanted your money before you got it? Well, that’s essentially what you do to those folks when you do this. I'll admit, I skipped out on a tab once when I was in college, but I was so guilty I went back later and paid double just because I couldn't stand myself until I made it right.
Again, if the service is bad, don't tip the waiter/waitress, but don't leave them high and dry with the check, too. That's despicable!
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Again, if the service is bad, don't tip the waiter/waitress, but don't leave them high and dry with the check, too. That's despicable!
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posted by Mike at 6:31 AM
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Mike said:
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And it happens all the time, even in West Knox/Farragut.
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Wow..."even in West Knox/Farragut"? Farragut's problems will begin to resolve themselves when west Knoxvillians & Farragutians get their heads out of the sand and end their snobby elitism.
Farragut was incorporated due to the fear of its residents of annexation by the city of Knoxville and the presumption of higher taxes which would follow. Now, Farragut gripes about the problems of sprawl that it caused and is looking for ways to improve...which costs more money! Talk about wanting your cake and eating it too?
Ignorance and arrogance is not a pretty combination.
Wow..."even in West Knox/Farragut"? Farragut's problems will begin to resolve themselves when west Knoxvillians & Farragutians get their heads out of the sand and end their snobby elitism.
Do you know anyone in West Knox or Farragut? Because people have a larger home that makes them elitist? There are a lot of people that live downtown that are elitist too. Does geography make a difference? Of course not.
Just because the town incorporated does not make them elitist. Some would say they were rebels. Why be annexed by Knoxville and have no say in your government? Farragut is a great place to live and raise a family.
George
The phrase which the blogger was referring to does sound "elitist" as Mike cannot seem to believe that people in west Knoxville & Farragut would do something wrong. I don't believe he mentioned anything about the size of houses, where he lives or anything about downtown.
Farragut has every right to incorporate and protect themselves from annexation. Taxation without Representation. Victor Ashe should be hauled back for Poland and tried for his actions. NO ONE in West Knox County complians about sprawl. We moved here and we like the environment we live in. The people taht complain about sprawl are the alternative lifestyle crowd that are downtown that are envious of the Farragut lifestyle and feel that we should be forced to live somewhere taht we do not chose to live. We chose NOT to live in your maggot infested alternative lifestyle downtown and just leave us alone.
Interestingly enough, no one here mentioned "downtown" ... sounds like someone has chip on their shoulder. Farragut absolutely had the right to incorporate but as we have read, everyone wants more law enforcement, less-crowded schools, etc. These things cost money. Personally, I live in Farragut and know of no one "downtown" who complains about Farragut. They each have their pro's and con's. I suppose Farragut has no one who lives ...as you put it... an "alternative lifestyle"? You really should get out more...or maybe you live in Barry's dreamworld?
Rohn
Interestingly enough, no one here mentioned "downtown" ... sounds like someone has chip on their shoulder.
There are a very few downtown folks that come here and blog for sport. They mostly taunt and run. Sprawl, you create sprawl. And you drive SUVS too. I don't think anyone that lives downtown wants to live in Farragut and few people here want to live downtown. Daliwood says he leaving Farragut but there may be more to that than just sprawl. Jon says he wishes the realtors had been more honest.
Some of you that “call sprawl”. How does buying a house in Farragut create sprawl? You keep blaming sprawl on the residents. Isn't it the TOF that makes those decisions along with developers that desire to build small lot subdivisions next to small lot subdivisions? I would love to hear one of you honestly answer how residents create sprawl. Are you saying we should shun these beautiful homes and live downtown in a high-rise just to prove our commitment against sprawl? That sounds rather elitist, doesn’t it?
George
This stuff about elitism and sprawl was not what I was blogging about! I was blogging about the fact that people are still acting like juveniles and cheapskates because they think they can get away with it. Meanwhile, people who really need to make a living are getting the shaft instead.
Mike, good clarification---but I understand how "even in west Knox/Farragut" can touch a nerve. That quote seemed to imply that these things happen in other areas but certainly not west Knox/Farragut.
George, I think you are correct---TOF should be responsible but so should MPC; however, you seem to offer up two choices: "a beautiful home in Farragut" or "a downtown high rise". This is overly and maybe ignorantly simplistic; there are some wonderful neighborhoods that offer beautiful homes in Knoxville's inner city.
I have found that when visiting friends in Fourth & Gill or Old North Knoxville, the neighborliness of those areas harks back to a different era. Pardon my soft side, but those areas seem to have a soul or better yet, I get a sense of community when I'm there. The homes are exquisite and the craftsmanship extinct.
West Knox/Farragut doesn't have that sense of place. With all of our cookie-cutter homes and chain restaurants, you could blindfold someone and drop them here and they wouldn't have a clue whether they were in Butte Montana, Little Rock or Knoxville.
But hey...if this is what we have chosen, so be it.
Fourth and Gill..Give me a break.
Comments are made about small lot subdivisons built beside small lot subdivisions in West knox County..I have been in 4th and Gill over the years, when a friend of mine couldn't afford anything better.
I have more yard and grass on my lot in west knox county than any of those old, musty, moldy houses in 4th and Gill..also for all the homeowners in west knox county it is quieter than 4th and Gill...4th and gill has interstate traffic and interstate construction noise, the ambulances on broadway going to St. mary's..the police cars cutting over to the standard knitting mill, magnolia avenue area...4th and Gill have homeless people urinating in your yard...4th and Gill have homeless people begging for money while your out walking, running or riding a bike...4th and Gill have drug deals going down..
we may have that in west knox county but it is not as obvious as 4th and gill...oh, and by the way there are more "alternative lifestyle's" in 4th and gill than any other part of Knoxville/KnoxCounty.
So,4th and gill is the best you can put up to west knox and Farragut, Give me a break...
To the people of 4th and Gill; in the words of Shirley Nash-Pitts WVLT Consumer Affairs Reporter....Clean it UP!!!!
George, I think you are correct---TOF should be responsible but so should MPC; however, you seem to offer up two choices: "a beautiful home in Farragut" or "a downtown high rise".
I was trying to show that a small lot is a small lot no matter where it is. The high rise has no lot. I don't see how 4th and Gill is any different sprawl wise than Village Green. BTW, I have great craftsman ship in my ten year old home. I'll trade the older style for the newer appliances and features plus I like brick. But that's me. I personally like Sequoyah Hills and Island Home much better than 4th and Gill. Just too much noise at 4th and Gill and I think the other choices are safer. I used to live downtown. I enjoyed it but it was a long time ago. I like Farragut.
As far as sprawl goes the MPC has a lot to do with the problem. I see less sprawl in Farragut than in Bearden or West Hills. But we do need to work on our future.
George
Wow...you obviously have lost touch to reality or that neighborhood has changed dramatically since you last visited.
Anonymous said:
>>I have more yard and grass on my lot in west knox county than any of those old, musty, moldy houses in 4th and Gill..also for all the homeowners in west knox county it is quieter than 4th and Gill...4th and gill has interstate traffic and interstate construction noise, the ambulances on broadway going to St. mary's..the police cars cutting over to the standard knitting mill, magnolia avenue area...4th and Gill have homeless people urinating in your yard...4th and Gill have homeless people begging for money while your out walking, running or riding a bike...4th and Gill have drug deals going down..
A "break"? You should have asked for a "clue" since you obviously don't have one.
Jim
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So,4th and gill is the best you can put up to west knox and Farragut, Give me a break...
This thread got off track. Face it, this is a Red State Blue State thing. Blue State folk from 4th and Gill come over to kick some Red State hiny on the internet. Who cares? Smoke a joint and bother someone that gives a damn what you think.
Settle this like men, a softball game between the wacky moonbats of 4th and Gill versus the wingnut Rethugs of Farragut. Loser has to buy the beer.
I think anyone that dines and dashes should spend a night in jail and or have their but kicked.
Bubba Haynes
According to the KPD and KC Sheriff's Department, Old North Knoxville and Fourth & Gill have the lowest per capita crime rate in the county. As far as ambulances, it is obvious that the volume of ambulance traffic to St.Mary's would be coming from the opposite, sprawling direction of Halls & Powell thereby having virtually no impact on these neighborhoods. As far as police cars, these neighborhoods are in a different sector and there is virtually no reason for cars to cut through to Magnolia. Interstate construction noise will continue but a group of neighbors there lobbied and are being awarded sound wall protection. Assertions of public begging and urination are absurd but not nearly as bad as west Knox high school kids involved in shootouts in the street, dead bodies being found in Farragut and billboards searching for west Knox murderers. The days of drug dealing in Fourth & Gill are also over----there will likely be more drug deals at Farragut High School tomorrow than in the historic neighborhoods of north Knoxville. By the way, both of the aforementioned neighborhoods have annual home tours with people paying to visit...haven't heard too much about mold or must here.
Some people should experience the facts before spreading lies.
Jeremy
Anonymous said:
>>I have more yard and grass on my lot in west knox county than any of those old, musty, moldy houses in 4th and Gill..also for all the homeowners in west knox county it is quieter than 4th and Gill...4th and gill has interstate traffic and interstate construction noise, the ambulances on broadway going to St. mary's..the police cars cutting over to the standard knitting mill, magnolia avenue area...4th and Gill have homeless people urinating in your yard...4th and Gill have homeless people begging for money while your out walking, running or riding a bike...4th and Gill have drug deals going down..
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Jeremy: There will be NO drug deals at Farragut High School tomorrow. Monday August 8th. You can beat your sweet ___ on that. My buddy was living there less than 6 months ago. He posted on your 37912 email forum about the constant panhandling, urination and etc. Go to Tan Rara Oeste subdivision. They have over 1 acre of grass for every house. Go to Sugarwood, Fox Den, Whittington Creek, Riversound, I can name you 100 subdivisions that have more grass than 4th and gill or Nortn Knox. I cut through 4th and gill often. I am not spreading lies, I have seen the real 4th and gill an dold north knox and oh by the way there are many open houses and progressive dinners in west knox county. When you get a chance, come visit. a fortunate few will call it home. By the way your billboards advertise vien clinics, Dollywood and heavy equipment retailers. We are trying to help a family that experienced a tragic death at the hands of someone not from around here.
Jeremy,
Not all Farragut residents are as naive or hateful as this person.
Ben
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Jeremy: There will be NO drug deals at Farragut High School tomorrow.
Ben: What hate was in my comments? What naive? There will be NO ONE at Farragut High School tomorrow. School doesn't start until Thursday
He got you there Ben! The drug deals start back on Thursday. DARE Officer Mitchell told me that FHS has the most available drugs in the county.
Molly
where the money is...is the drugs, that is facts..it is not acceptable, it is just the facts...South Knoxville has the drive-bys, Magnolia Avenue has the hos, Magnloia and fifth (4th and gill) have the homeless. Austin-East and Fulton have the gang activities, and the kids that beat up police officers. Every segment of our community has things taht don't want or approve of...Jeremy want's you to think 4th and gill is Lake Wobegon...it ain't
Actually, I don't believe any neighborhood is Lake Wobegon; every neighborhood has its issues but given the extraordinarily low crime rate in Old North, etc., what issues are the homeless really causing except walking on public streets?
I live in Farragut and like it but didn't enjoy someone spreading falsehoods about any neighborhood...Farragut included. Just as with Mike's "even in Farragut" comment, many west Knoxvillians emit a elite persona. The best thing that any area can do would be to work on their own issues. An inactive or overly permissive MPC allowed sprawl to occur and many problems can be traced to that but debating one neighborhood over the other wasn't my point. My point was to simply offer facts as I spend a great deal of time working with folks who reside in north Knoxville's great historic neighborhoods.
Jeremy
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...Jeremy want's you to think 4th and gill is Lake Wobegon...it ain't
I live in Farragut and like it but didn't enjoy someone spreading falsehoods about any neighborhood...Farragut included. Just as with Mike's "even in Farragut" comment, many west Knoxvillians emit a elite persona... My point was to simply offer facts as I spend a great deal of time working with folks who reside in north Knoxville's great historic neighborhoods.
Jeremy
My My My...I didn't think I'd cause such a stir! Anyway, this isn't a my neighborhood vs. your neighborhood kind of thing. It happens a lot more than I had ever realized before! That's all.
I'm sorry to ask a probably ignorant question, but why would people do that?
Actually, I talke to a bunch of servers this weekend and the answers range from forgetfullness (due to inebriation) to being mean to "the thrill of stiffing the establishment". I also found out that the policy varies by restaurant so some of them actually don't penalize the waitstaff like the one I mentioned in the original post.
Also, I found out that this will also happen to folks out on a date (they meet up, one of them "forgets" the wallet or "heads to the bathroom" never to return.
You really should get out more...or maybe you live in Barry's dreamworld?
Rohn
Who is Barry?
Who is Barry?
My guess would be retired humour columnist Dave Barry.
BTW, I deleted a couple of posts in here due to them being 100% unrelated to the topic or anything else on my site. I can't believe we've got people trying to sell trips to Vegas and ceiling fans by commenting in blogs! It's almost enough to make me steamed!
Yeah, some folks today were giving me a hard time that "even in Farragut" bad things occur. It is no wonder everyone thinks we're elitists. It sure looks like they're right!
Jeremy: If you live in Farragut, as you say, and I believe you, btw. And if you are opposed to MPC creating "sprawl" and your working with onk and 4ag on this.
Then aren't you guilty of helping to create your evil "sprawl"? It is so hypocritical to say I have mine and I don't want others to have theirs. And oh btw MPC make it hard on the people behind me to get theirs, thus increasing my values.
Come Clean, Jereamy
I work with people who reside in the aforementioned neighborhoods but have not on MPC type planning---we're simply co-workers. Not sure that I follow your question?
Jeremy
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Jeremy: If you live in Farragut, as you say, and I believe you, btw. And if you are opposed to MPC creating "sprawl" and your working with onk and 4ag on this.
Then aren't you guilty of helping to create your evil "sprawl"? It is so hypocritical to say I have mine and I don't want others to have theirs. And oh btw MPC make it hard on the people behind me to get theirs, thus increasing my values.
To me, it is very interesting that this blog contains complaints about the lack of adequate services and businesses given the fact that our town was incorporated to avoid the taxation needed to provide adequate services and the "sprawled" location makes certain types of businesses less likely to succeed. Farragut, and thus our residents, seem to have come from a "want our cake and eat it too" mentality.
Logically, "dining & dashing" would fit this mentality.
To me, it is very interesting that this blog contains complaints about the lack of adequate services and businesses given the fact that our town was incorporated to avoid the taxation needed to provide adequate services and the "sprawled" location makes certain types of businesses less likely to succeed. Farragut, and thus our residents, seem to have come from a "want our cake and eat it too" mentality.
Logically, "dining & dashing" would fit this mentality.
LOL!
I actually moved out to West Knox because the majority of everything I want is within 5 mi. of my home. What isn't available within that distance I usually plan to make a special trip for. I agree with you that the current situation businesswise is unfortunate, but I think with the right tweaks, we can make our business community a growing and vibrant one. But in order to do that, we need to bring them in and support them! I think that we could actually pay for more services without a property tax if our sales tax revenue were actually growing like the rest of our town! Just my personal opinion.
Off the soapbox...
Mike said...
I actually moved out to West Knox because the majority of everything I want is within 5 mi. of my home.
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Exactly. Spawl is a vicious cycle.
Might I ask what would not have been within 5 miles of your home had your chosen an urban neighborhood such as Sequoyah Hills?
Thanks,
Jennifer
Exactly. Spawl is a vicious cycle.
Might I ask what would not have been within 5 miles of your home had your chosen an urban neighborhood such as Sequoyah Hills?
Thanks,
Jennifer
Do you live in Sequoyah Hills Jennifer? I like Sequoyah Hills. I would live there before I lived at 4th and Gill or downtown. But I have Kosmo Jr. to think about.
How is Mike responsible for sprawl? He bought a house. Because he bought it in the wrong, to your thinking, area he is now a "sprawler"? Well I'm a "sprawler" too. I'm living in sprawl and I'm lovin it Jerry.
Do you really think anyone is going to boycott Farragut based on this silly “sprawl” argument? Where is the sprawl in Farragut?
Kramer
Hi Kramer,
I live in Sequoyah Hills but I didn't mean to imply that Mike is responsible for sprawl. Sprawl happens when unfettered development causes a tremendous shift in population density. The all too obvious results are overcrowded schools, high traffic fatalities and overburdened municipal services.
I don't think that anyone will boycott Farragut due to the sprawl but hopefully residents will request that their elected and appointed leaders take action to rein in sprawl.
Jennifer
Jennifer,
Actually, I couldn't afford property in Sequoyah Hills unless someone gave it to me! I live in Farragut in a moderately priced condo which I'm glad to call home! One day, I may decide to move elsewhere, but right now, I can't see why. If Farragut decides to implement a property tax, well, then the whole situation gets re-evaluated. And to be honest, the cost of living does play a big part in where I decide to live. As for what I'd be missing, to be honest, now that I think about it, mainly the proximity to what I happen to enjoy eating (5 of my favorite restaurants are within 1 mile and 2 are around the corner, literally!). Also, I like being able to bike along my greenway which is less than 300 feet from my front door. The only thing I could really use is a grocery store and I'd be set!
Thanks Mike,
You may want to consider other options in the future. To review,
you stated that you live in Farragut for 3 reasons.
1. It is more economical than Sequoyah Hills. Be sure to look at some of the other great neighborhoods such as Old North, Island Home and North Hills. The value to craftsmanship ratio found in these homes is outstanding.
2. There is no property tax in Farragut. This may indeed seem less expensive but sprawl costs money and prevents adequate services.
3. Your favorite restaurants are nearby. Like you, I love to eat and as we know, there is no accounting for taste; however depending upon what you like, there is no better option than the center city. Steak: Regas or the Original Copper Cellar, Seafood: Chesapeake's, Italian: Savelli's, Pasta Trio or Naples, Indian: Kashmir, Sushi: NAMA!, Egyptian: King Tut's, Pizza: Tomato Head, Barley's, BBQ: Calhoun's, The Backroom at Sullivan's, Fine Dining: Bistro by the Tracks.
Sincerely,
Jennifer
Mike said...
1. Actually, I couldn't afford property in Sequoyah Hills unless someone gave it to me!
2. If Farragut decides to implement a property tax, well, then the whole situation gets re-evaluated.
3. As for what I'd be missing, to be honest, now that I think about it, mainly the proximity to what I happen to enjoy eating (5 of my favorite restaurants are within 1 mile and 2 are around the corner, literally!).
Jennifer,
Excellent points but don't forget the riverside greenway that can take you from downtown to Bearden.
;-)
Yossi
Hey, but we wouldn't want lil' Kosmo exposed the Opera, Symphony, Museum of Art, East Tn. Historical Society or the many resources of UT on a regular basis--now would we?
Jed
Well, good points, but my 8 minute commute is the most important. I'm on call 24/6 and if I'm paged,I have 20 minutes to be here and working the issue & I WILL NOT be speeding through town to get to the job. Since I have to take that big factor into consideration, I'd either be living really close to the interstate or on Kingston Pike or Middlebrook Pike if I were east of my job. 10 minutes out doesn't give me a lot of neighborhoods to look at. Now if I got a better paying job....
Mike said...
Now if I got a better paying job....
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Hi Mike,
When you do, come to the center city and be part of the solution instead of part of the problem
Kindest regards,
Jennifer
When you do, come to the center city and be part of the solution instead of part of the problem
Kindest regards,
Jennifer
Part of the problem? How? How does living in a high rise solve any problem?
There are a dozen posts that read like they were written by the same person. I doubt you are who you say you are. Isn't what you do kind of vandalism? You're just here to taunt and make fun of people. Sounds like a jealous little person.
None of the comments here make me want to move anywhere near you people.
BTW, Sequoyah Hills is not in the center city.
Bubba Haynes
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